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	<title>Comments on: Whigs of the 21st Century?  Not Quite.</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Douglas</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/02/29/whigs-of-the-21st-century-not-quite/#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I'm comfortable with people opting out, so long as they opt out of the use of the health facilities that are in place because everybody else is paying for them through their insurance dollars.  

Mandated health insurance is like the property taxes that pay for the fire department.  The fire trucks are in place to respond because everyone is paying for them to be in place.  You can't say that you're only going to pay for the fire trucks if you one day use them.  (By the way, something like that was tried in the colonial era.)

Or that you are only going to pay for the police to be in place if you one day need them.  

If you are going to swear off the use of the infrastructure everybody else is paying to get in place through our insurance dollars, that's great.  But in the private sector, for various purposes to do business you can be required to have bonding because there is an understanding that even if you think you can shoulder the risk, when the time comes to pay you very well may be unable to.  

If you can prove that you actually can pay the full cost of freight, well, have at it. We'll issue you a card that let's you in to the heart surgeon when you can prove you have $1,000,000 in place to pay on the backside.   You would have all the freedom in the world to opt out of the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I&#8217;m comfortable with people opting out, so long as they opt out of the use of the health facilities that are in place because everybody else is paying for them through their insurance dollars.  </p>
<p>Mandated health insurance is like the property taxes that pay for the fire department.  The fire trucks are in place to respond because everyone is paying for them to be in place.  You can&#8217;t say that you&#8217;re only going to pay for the fire trucks if you one day use them.  (By the way, something like that was tried in the colonial era.)</p>
<p>Or that you are only going to pay for the police to be in place if you one day need them.  </p>
<p>If you are going to swear off the use of the infrastructure everybody else is paying to get in place through our insurance dollars, that&#8217;s great.  But in the private sector, for various purposes to do business you can be required to have bonding because there is an understanding that even if you think you can shoulder the risk, when the time comes to pay you very well may be unable to.  </p>
<p>If you can prove that you actually can pay the full cost of freight, well, have at it. We&#8217;ll issue you a card that let&#8217;s you in to the heart surgeon when you can prove you have $1,000,000 in place to pay on the backside.   You would have all the freedom in the world to opt out of the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/02/29/whigs-of-the-21st-century-not-quite/#comment-1908</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thought on auto insurance: auto insurance is a requirement for driving on public roads; mandated health insurance is a requirement for being alive. I always have the freedom to choose to ride a bicycle (or scooter) or public transportation. My options on living are somewhat limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thought on auto insurance: auto insurance is a requirement for driving on public roads; mandated health insurance is a requirement for being alive. I always have the freedom to choose to ride a bicycle (or scooter) or public transportation. My options on living are somewhat limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/02/29/whigs-of-the-21st-century-not-quite/#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the future of the Republican Party certainly should not be one where the government issues mandates to its people, but rather one that freedom is a central theme.

I have been relearning the term "totalitarian", which in my mind, meant a dictatorial system. But it doesn't. What it means is a government that is involved in all aspects (i.e. total) of life. Part of the problem of health insurance mandates is that it is just another part of life that we would be allowing government to eat into.

There is also a significant difference between auto insurance and health insurance. Auto insurance is requiring that you can cover damage done to the other guy (i.e. liability is required, not collision). Health insurance is damage done to yourself.

As someone that was not covered by health insurance for a period of time, I disagree that it is picked up by the government--or even that anyone necessarily "eats" the cost. Anything that I had to have done (including gall bladder surgery) was eventually paid by me as health providers are tenacious collectors. Only emergency care is "mandated" and even there, the ones who could afford insurance eventually pay for the services anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the future of the Republican Party certainly should not be one where the government issues mandates to its people, but rather one that freedom is a central theme.</p>
<p>I have been relearning the term &#8220;totalitarian&#8221;, which in my mind, meant a dictatorial system. But it doesn&#8217;t. What it means is a government that is involved in all aspects (i.e. total) of life. Part of the problem of health insurance mandates is that it is just another part of life that we would be allowing government to eat into.</p>
<p>There is also a significant difference between auto insurance and health insurance. Auto insurance is requiring that you can cover damage done to the other guy (i.e. liability is required, not collision). Health insurance is damage done to yourself.</p>
<p>As someone that was not covered by health insurance for a period of time, I disagree that it is picked up by the government&#8211;or even that anyone necessarily &#8220;eats&#8221; the cost. Anything that I had to have done (including gall bladder surgery) was eventually paid by me as health providers are tenacious collectors. Only emergency care is &#8220;mandated&#8221; and even there, the ones who could afford insurance eventually pay for the services anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Douglas</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/02/29/whigs-of-the-21st-century-not-quite/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. The principle quarrel I have with the above is your statement about universal health care.  We HAVE universal health care.  The candidates (including Governors Schwarzenegger and Romney) who have had variations of mandates understand the situation perfectly, namely, that everyone gets health care under the current system whether they have paid responsibly through health insurance or not.  

Universal health care is short for universal insurance coverage, which we do NOT have.  Universal coverage means no more free rides; everyone who may one day draw upon services is required to participate, include paying a premium, so that those of us who do participate and pay premiums no longer have to shoulder the load for those who can but choose not to.   

It isn't universal coverage that will bankrupt our system; it is the absence of it that we suffer today.
Also, the idea that universal health care coverage is socialist is driven by confusing universally mandated coverage with single-payer government managed health care.  They are different concepts.  The problem right now is that there is such confusion on the words that a decent discussion is stifled.   

We have universally mandated auto insurance for drivers; State Farm and Allstate would be shocked to learn that they are parts of a big-government or socialist program. 

I have no problem with people opting out by signing a waiver which denies them access to the health facilities everyone else is paying for.  In fact, I think an elegant solution would be to assign the expenses of people who show up at emergency rooms without insurance to people who go on record opposing universal (mandated) coverage.  Then the rest of thinking society doesn't have to continue to suffer the financial burden of the irresponsible and the unthinking, which is the present system! 

2. Ronald Reagan's gift was a confidence in the future of American capitalism and individualism and the demise of communism.  He was of an era when a considerable conflict existed between two incompatible historical systems; that era has passed, with his help.

That said, attempting to place the party strictly in the legacy of Ronald Reagan is comfort food.  The Republican Party's future is in the future.... not the past.  The question is what should that future look like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The principle quarrel I have with the above is your statement about universal health care.  We HAVE universal health care.  The candidates (including Governors Schwarzenegger and Romney) who have had variations of mandates understand the situation perfectly, namely, that everyone gets health care under the current system whether they have paid responsibly through health insurance or not.  </p>
<p>Universal health care is short for universal insurance coverage, which we do NOT have.  Universal coverage means no more free rides; everyone who may one day draw upon services is required to participate, include paying a premium, so that those of us who do participate and pay premiums no longer have to shoulder the load for those who can but choose not to.   </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t universal coverage that will bankrupt our system; it is the absence of it that we suffer today.<br />
Also, the idea that universal health care coverage is socialist is driven by confusing universally mandated coverage with single-payer government managed health care.  They are different concepts.  The problem right now is that there is such confusion on the words that a decent discussion is stifled.   </p>
<p>We have universally mandated auto insurance for drivers; State Farm and Allstate would be shocked to learn that they are parts of a big-government or socialist program. </p>
<p>I have no problem with people opting out by signing a waiver which denies them access to the health facilities everyone else is paying for.  In fact, I think an elegant solution would be to assign the expenses of people who show up at emergency rooms without insurance to people who go on record opposing universal (mandated) coverage.  Then the rest of thinking society doesn&#8217;t have to continue to suffer the financial burden of the irresponsible and the unthinking, which is the present system! </p>
<p>2. Ronald Reagan&#8217;s gift was a confidence in the future of American capitalism and individualism and the demise of communism.  He was of an era when a considerable conflict existed between two incompatible historical systems; that era has passed, with his help.</p>
<p>That said, attempting to place the party strictly in the legacy of Ronald Reagan is comfort food.  The Republican Party&#8217;s future is in the future&#8230;. not the past.  The question is what should that future look like?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/02/29/whigs-of-the-21st-century-not-quite/#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I wouldn't mind a Reagan-like candidate--though I am suspicious that we are asking for too much.

My contention is that those of us who remember what Reagan stood for must become involved in the party. We must "evangelize" the party (and those who are not in the party) of the relevance of Reagan's message.

In other words, the resurgence of the Republican Party needs to come about from the bottom, not the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I wouldn&#8217;t mind a Reagan-like candidate&#8211;though I am suspicious that we are asking for too much.</p>
<p>My contention is that those of us who remember what Reagan stood for must become involved in the party. We must &#8220;evangelize&#8221; the party (and those who are not in the party) of the relevance of Reagan&#8217;s message.</p>
<p>In other words, the resurgence of the Republican Party needs to come about from the bottom, not the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we need is to have a great Reagan-like candidate who can inspire people to believe in America again.

We need candidates who can inspire people to look forward to the future.  We need candidates who can reassure people that people can create their own destinies.  We need someone like Reagan who can communicate our ideals in a way that inspires all Americans.

We also need candidates who can explain why uncontrolled spending doesn't mean more "free" things, but instead takes money and freedom away from people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need is to have a great Reagan-like candidate who can inspire people to believe in America again.</p>
<p>We need candidates who can inspire people to look forward to the future.  We need candidates who can reassure people that people can create their own destinies.  We need someone like Reagan who can communicate our ideals in a way that inspires all Americans.</p>
<p>We also need candidates who can explain why uncontrolled spending doesn&#8217;t mean more &#8220;free&#8221; things, but instead takes money and freedom away from people.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/02/29/whigs-of-the-21st-century-not-quite/#comment-1900</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Howey article is hooey. The premise is that immigration will be an issue to destroy the Republican Party due to the Party's display of "intolerance" by opposing illegal immigration. But he then goes on to argue that the issue is not an important issue. If it is not an important issue, then the Republicans being "wrong" will not hurt them.

If anything, this issue helps Republicans rather than hurts them--particularly if they focus on protecting the border.

The analysis that immigration hurt various Republicans in 2006 is ludicrous. The issues of 2006 were fiscal responsibility and ethics (with a bit of the toll road thrown in there).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Howey article is hooey. The premise is that immigration will be an issue to destroy the Republican Party due to the Party&#8217;s display of &#8220;intolerance&#8221; by opposing illegal immigration. But he then goes on to argue that the issue is not an important issue. If it is not an important issue, then the Republicans being &#8220;wrong&#8221; will not hurt them.</p>
<p>If anything, this issue helps Republicans rather than hurts them&#8211;particularly if they focus on protecting the border.</p>
<p>The analysis that immigration hurt various Republicans in 2006 is ludicrous. The issues of 2006 were fiscal responsibility and ethics (with a bit of the toll road thrown in there).</p>
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