Daniels Addresses Marriage Amendment Resurrection
This evening, I asked Lt. Gov Skillman about any potential return of the marriage amendment here in Indiana in the wake of the California Supreme Court overruling a voter referendum. Lt. Gov Skillman referred me to Governor Daniels statement made last Friday. The Lt. Gov’s staff was kind enough to pass along the audio of that statement and I’m passing it along to you.
The marriage amendment is covered in two places . It starts at 4:37 goes for a bit, then picks up again at 6:15.
Podcast: Play in new window
May 19th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Key things: 1. Moonbat California Judges reversed the decision of the people. That’s beyond activism - this is holier-than-thou judges proclaiming to the people “**** you!”.
2. Gov. Daniels would be in favor of the people voting upon the issue if it were to reach his desk.
So in reality, the Democrats led by the The Hair have come out to OPPOSE DEMOCRACY!!
May 20th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Josh, thank you for posting this exchange in the Governor’s words.
1.) The Governor has said he would vote for a measure that would preserve the will of the people… He never said, as the Star reported, that he would vote for an Amendment in the Constitution banning same sex marriage, which type of amendment would dis-empower future generations from expressing their desire (already the desire of the majority of people under 30 years old) to see it legalized.
An amendment that preserves the power of the legislature to define the institution of civil marriage would achieve the Governor’s vision, and members of the gay community attempted to achieve this compromise with the right wing, but the right wing went for the whole enchilada of total intolerance…. defining marriage permanently, removing it from the will of the people, and denying any of its legal incidents from being extended to those not married. The right wing over-reached, failed to achieve the support of any editorial board in the state, failed to achieve the support of the state’s corporations and leading independent educational institutions, and indeed achieved only their united opposition in a story that reflects great credit on the decency of Indiana.
Nowhere did I hear the Governor express support for a renewed Amendment battle; to the contrary, he seemed to indicate that he felt that the issue would not define the Republican Party this election year.
2. Jezierski is poorly informed. The measure will never cross the desk of the Governor, because the Governor has no role to play in the Constitutional amendment process.
May 20th, 2008 at 8:35 am
“expressing their desire (already the desire of the majority of people under 30 years old)”
Are you trying to tell us that a MAJORITY of people under age 30 are gay???? That’s really stretching it even for you, Chris!
May 20th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Jezierski twists my words.
According to Pew Research, the majority of Americans under the age of 30 support the legalization of same sex marriage… 53% compared to a minority (38%) who oppose. 75% under the age of 34 think homosexuality should be an accepted alternative lifestyle.
Of course this does not mean that 75% will become gay, or that 53% will marry same sex partners.. a reductio ad absurdum (look it up). The number of people with same sex orientation in society will not increase as the result of acceptance. Only the acceptance of people with same sex orientation will increase as the result of acceptance.
May 20th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Chris - I beg to differ. The General Assembly passes the Joint Resolution and the Governor approves it. That’s for anything. THEN for constitutional amendments it goes before the voters.
“The number of people with same sex orientation in society will not increase as the result of acceptance.”
Of course you’re working under the assumption that people are born gay, that it’s a genetic trait just like being left or right handed. Most of us here maintain it’s just another lifestyle choice one makes.
May 20th, 2008 at 11:04 am
To my knowledge, the Governor has no role approving or disapproving anything related to the constitutional amendment. He has no legal ability to stop it should it pass the legislature.
“Most of us here maintain it’s just another lifestyle choice one makes.”
The belief that sexual orientation is chosen reflects ignorance, which is demonstrable. According to Pew, 60% of college graduates believe (I would say understand) that sexual orientation is innate, whether nature (51%) or nurture (9%). Only 28% believe it is just another choice.
The percentages of invert as education declines to below high school graduate, where those who have a only a high school degree or less achieve a figure of 46% believing it is a choice, compared to 40% who believe it is nature (26%) or nurture (14%).
Even Exodus International reports only a 5% success rate in “changing” sexual orientation itself, claiming a higher success (though still general failure) in changing behavior.
To other readers and writers on this site, would you agree with Jezierski’s contention that “most of us here” maintain its just a choice?
May 20th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Can’t answer the “most of us here”. I wouldn’t even begin that discussion as I believe it to be more complicated than that.
On the other hand polls (whether of the people here at Hoosier Access, or one performed by Pew Research) really do not serve to answer the underlying question. It may be relevant for understanding what people think, but it has nothing to do with scientific reality.
I think if you look at polls you will find that the vast majority of people believe in man-made global warming. I think you will find that the more educated you are, the more likely that you believe that to be true. But as every day goes on, more and more evidence is coming to light showing that not only does man not influence global warming, but that the planet is not warming at all.
It may just be possible that our education system is indoctrinating rather than teaching logic and facts.
May 20th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
joel-you took the words right out of my mouth…
May 20th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Joel and Scratchman, this is the purest idiocy. I do not have time now, but I suppose I will find it, to post the overwhelming evidence that sexual orientation is innate and not choice.
But in the meantime, it is the ignorant and uneducated who are the most susceptible to indoctrination, which is what produces against overwhelming evidence an unfounded belief that sexual orientation is chosen, not given either by birth or by the influence of upbringing. (Generally the evidence on birth is strong, upbringing less so, and choice not at all.)
In my opinion, only people who have not known love could think that love is a matter of choice. If you have known the symptoms.. the beating of heart… the occupation of thoughts.. the longing… the ache.. that takes place between two human being meant for each other… you would know, as the poets do, that they cannot be concocted by choice, but they are inflicted.
Your believing that the object of affection and love is a matter of choice is evidence to me that you may not yet seriously have experienced it as people truly in love do.