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	<title>Comments on: Time to lower the drinking age?</title>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I know. It is tenuous, but I can accept it. But it only flies for the Interstate system. And to my way of thinking, they should either take hold of the Interstate system and run it, or get out of it altogether. The way that they do it today is to use it as a stick/carrot to the States to force the States to behave the way they want them to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I know. It is tenuous, but I can accept it. But it only flies for the Interstate system. And to my way of thinking, they should either take hold of the Interstate system and run it, or get out of it altogether. The way that they do it today is to use it as a stick/carrot to the States to force the States to behave the way they want them to.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jezierski</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/08/27/1955/#comment-5219</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jezierski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel - on the constitutional issue, Congress sticks their nose into the transportation issue and use one clause as their justification - Interstate Commerce</description>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/08/27/1955/#comment-5207</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really am not concerned about whether or not the various road would or would not be built. It is a State issue Constitutionally. We shouldn't be breaking the constitution for a "good" thing. That is why we have all kinds of programs that are unconstitutional.

On the drinking age thing. Back when I was in college, there was an article written by Ed Koch that I found fascinating: he argued that prohibition lowered crime rather than raised it. He argued that while mob crime went up, domestic violence, drunk driving deaths, etc. went down--and those more than balanced out the mob fights.

I'm not sure I agree with the argument, but it certainly provides an interesting point to ponder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really am not concerned about whether or not the various road would or would not be built. It is a State issue Constitutionally. We shouldn&#8217;t be breaking the constitution for a &#8220;good&#8221; thing. That is why we have all kinds of programs that are unconstitutional.</p>
<p>On the drinking age thing. Back when I was in college, there was an article written by Ed Koch that I found fascinating: he argued that prohibition lowered crime rather than raised it. He argued that while mob crime went up, domestic violence, drunk driving deaths, etc. went down&#8211;and those more than balanced out the mob fights.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with the argument, but it certainly provides an interesting point to ponder.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jezierski</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/08/27/1955/#comment-5204</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jezierski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel - The argument you make in your second paragraph is the subject of many flame wars on road enthusiasts forums such as M.T.R. The underlying thought process is roads in sparsely populated areas connecting population centers would never be built, nor maintained under a system of "every state for themselves". I don't totally agree with it but then again I'm biased as Indiana is a "donor state".

As we all know these transportation bills (ex. SAFETEA-LU) are loaded with "pork" or "earmarks" and until it is passed and published in the Congressional Record we on the outside don't really know what is in there.

NOW - back to the topic. Speeding head-on into "old fogeydom" back when I was 18 I'm not sure if I'd been mature enough to handle alcohol, and several 18 year olds I've seen don't seem to show any signs of maturity, of course it could be me getting old but I digress. Though you have the converse - at 18 you're considered old enough to vote, and 18 year old men are old enough to be drafted into the military if needed.

The "Lindsay Lohan" effect? She drank like a fish until she turned 21, then apparently (if you believe the tabloids) she quit drinking after turning 21. 18-21 year olds drink because they know its illegal, and when its legal there won't be the thrill of drinking and getting caught. Personally I don't buy the argument but there it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel - The argument you make in your second paragraph is the subject of many flame wars on road enthusiasts forums such as M.T.R. The underlying thought process is roads in sparsely populated areas connecting population centers would never be built, nor maintained under a system of &#8220;every state for themselves&#8221;. I don&#8217;t totally agree with it but then again I&#8217;m biased as Indiana is a &#8220;donor state&#8221;.</p>
<p>As we all know these transportation bills (ex. SAFETEA-LU) are loaded with &#8220;pork&#8221; or &#8220;earmarks&#8221; and until it is passed and published in the Congressional Record we on the outside don&#8217;t really know what is in there.</p>
<p>NOW - back to the topic. Speeding head-on into &#8220;old fogeydom&#8221; back when I was 18 I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;d been mature enough to handle alcohol, and several 18 year olds I&#8217;ve seen don&#8217;t seem to show any signs of maturity, of course it could be me getting old but I digress. Though you have the converse - at 18 you&#8217;re considered old enough to vote, and 18 year old men are old enough to be drafted into the military if needed.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Lindsay Lohan&#8221; effect? She drank like a fish until she turned 21, then apparently (if you believe the tabloids) she quit drinking after turning 21. 18-21 year olds drink because they know its illegal, and when its legal there won&#8217;t be the thrill of drinking and getting caught. Personally I don&#8217;t buy the argument but there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/08/27/1955/#comment-5202</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make an interesting argument in the 10th Amendment. It is correct to use the 10th Amendment, but not for the drinking age issue. You see, the Feds have not set the drinking age. Any state can buck the Feds here and set it to 18, they just pay a penalty in the money they get from the Feds for roads.

It is that money for the roads that should have the 10th Amendment applied. States receive millions of dollars each year to build and maintain roads that are not part of the Interstate system. This, from my point of view, is unconstitutional Federal spending.

Without that funding, the Feds would not have the stick to "encourage" the States to raise their drinking age. The same stick was used for the speed limit under Carter and largely removed later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make an interesting argument in the 10th Amendment. It is correct to use the 10th Amendment, but not for the drinking age issue. You see, the Feds have not set the drinking age. Any state can buck the Feds here and set it to 18, they just pay a penalty in the money they get from the Feds for roads.</p>
<p>It is that money for the roads that should have the 10th Amendment applied. States receive millions of dollars each year to build and maintain roads that are not part of the Interstate system. This, from my point of view, is unconstitutional Federal spending.</p>
<p>Without that funding, the Feds would not have the stick to &#8220;encourage&#8221; the States to raise their drinking age. The same stick was used for the speed limit under Carter and largely removed later.</p>
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