September 22nd, 2008 by Scott Tibbs

Sodrel, not Schansberg, is the choice for limited government

First, let me say I like Eric Schansberg. If he were representing Indiana’s Ninth District, he would represent us well in Congress. I agree with him on limited government, and he is pro-life. I have met him several times and he is a good person. However, I will not be voting for him in November. I will vote for Mike Sodrel.

Schansberg’s run for Congress as a Libertarian is actually an impediment to implementing a libertarian legislative agenda. The votes that Schansberg drains from Sodrel will help Baron Hill in his efforts to return to Congress. That would be destructive to efforts to limit government and protect the unborn, two issues where Schansberg and Sodrel are, for the most part, in agreement. Schansberg’s run for Congress is unwise and counterproductive.

(Read more after the leap)

Last Monday, I attended the IU College Republicans call-out meeting because Mike Sodrel would be speaking to the group. Once again, Sodrel showed that he “gets it” on individual liberty and limited government. Sodrel put the American Revolution into context: that the founding fathers had a lot to lose but were willing to risk everything for liberty. Sodrel knows that the most important legacy that we leave to future generations is liberty.

Sodrel explained that there are two places where one can find a lion. You can go to the lion’s natural habitat, or you can go to the zoo. At the zoo, the lion is taken care of. He does not have to worry about food, shelter or health care. All the lion had to give up to get security was his liberty. Sodrel warned that we’re building our own cage one bar at a time, and too many people are not going to realize what we are doing until the door slams shut. Then, we will look back and wonder where our liberty went. That will be a sad day.

Voting for a minor party candidate is not automatically “throwing your vote away”. There are times when the Republican candidate for elective office is not acceptable. In those cases the Libertarian Party is useful in keeping the GOP honest and serving as an incentive to keep Republicans close to the GOP’s roots of limited government and individual liberty - principles that helped elect the first Republican Congress in 40 years just 14 years ago. This is not one of those times, and voting for Schansberg over Sodrel is throwing away your vote.

Does Sodrel have a 100% perfect libertarian voting record? No. I am sure Schansberg can point to some issues where he is the “true” fiscal conservative in this race. But tossing aside a great candidate like Sodrel because of an unrealistic expectation for perfection is unwise and counterproductive, especially when the opposition is Baron Hill. Sending The Red Baron back to Washington would be destructive to libertarian interests.

In the 1990’s, Paul Hager ran against John Hostettler a few times as a Libertarian. Ironically, Hostettler was (with the exception of Ron Paul) arguably the most consistent philosophical libertarian in Congress. In 2002, Hager left the Libertarian Party and became a Republican. Hager understands a political reality: in order to implement real political change, one needs to be part of one of the two major political parties. As attractive as the Libertarian platform might be, Libertarians for the most part do not win elections. They can, however, serve as a spoiler and prevent good conservatives such as Mike Sodrel from getting elected.

The Republican Party needs more philosophical libertarians, like Hager, to revive the 1994 Republican Revolution. Schansberg, were he to switch parties, would be a valuable asset for that agenda of limited government and individual liberty. As long as he drains votes from Sodrel, Schansberg is an obstacle to a libertarian agenda.

This post is also available at ConservaTibbs.

15 Responses to “Sodrel, not Schansberg, is the choice for limited government”

  1. 1.) I agree that Mike is good at talking about “fiscal conservatism”. But as Baron illustrates on other issues (pro-life, drilling for oil), talk is not enough. The data from NTU, CFB and CAGW are clear that Mike voted like a fiscal moderate. If he had voted like a fiscal conservative– and this was not such an important issue right now– I’d be spending more time with my wife and kids (and quite happy to do so).

    2.) My opposition to Planned Parenthood funding is not only counter to Mike’s voting record, but may be the reason for the Pence Amendment in 2007. Why weren’t Republicans talking about this before I brought it up in 2006?

    3.) You’re assuming that I’m taking votes mostly from Mike. In 2006, the polling data indicate I got much more from Hill. Presumably because Iraq is less important (and perhaps because fiscal conservatism and the economy are more important), the polling data this time are more mixed. So, it looks like I won’t be able to help Mike out this time.

    4.) Mike doesn’t seem to be running an active campaign this time– and according to the polls I’ve seen, he’s down by double-digits. If it looks like a blow out in November, then a vote for me, even by a pragmatist, will not be “wasted”. In fact, a “protest” vote for me would be far more valuable than voting for a major-party candidate who loses by 10%. In any case, I hope voters will be more principled than pragmatic.

  2. I should have opened by saying that I like Scott Tibbs too! ;-)

  3. Chris, I would argue that philosophical identification of an exit poll is probably not evidence that they would have voted for one candidate or another of the main party candidates. (And how many though that they were saying libertarian rather than liberal?). The only poll question that I would deem valid on this point (Eric, this goes for your point 3 as well) is, “If the race were only between Sodrel and Hill, who would you have voted for?”

    What we do know is that the philosophical thinking of a Libertarian candidate is relatively closely aligned with the Conservative philosophy. You could argue that they are Democrats that have become disillusioned with their party, but if they are disillusioned with the socialism of their party they would probably not be voting for the Democrat candidate anyway.

    The larger problem with the Libertarian Party is that by leaving the Republican Party (or the failure to join into the Republican Party if they are disillusioned Democrats) they fail to provide the energy and leadership to move the Republican Party in a libertarian or conservative direction. This is a far more achievable goal than making a third party viable.

  4. me too. I don’t know him, but he has the best name for a blog ever.

  5. Hypocrisy everywhere.

    If you’d like to throw out polling numbers and statistic because they don’t reinforce your view, then maybe it isn’t the polling that is incorrect. I’ll bookmark this page for when this blog upholds exit polling as truth.

    Secondly, I’ve been very encouraged by the reception that the Republican establishment has given to Ron Paul and his brand of conservatism. (Sarcasm Heavily Implied.) There is no way to move entrenched parties back to a set of values it once held, when those who polluted the well now control access to it. Pat Buchanan has been been tilting at windmills for two decades.

    Thirdly, a Libertarian and true Conservative is closely aligned with a modern Republican in words. However, the Bush administration is the classic example of doing one thing and saying another. The spending of Bush, along with socialistic programs such as the Paulson Plan are reasons enough for True Conservatives not to vote for John McCain, who really doesn’t differ from Bush.

    Please, dear God please, will someone start defending Bush and the socialistic program they are about to push through Congress. Because you will be putting party over the principles you claim to hold dear.

    Capitalism without failure is like Religion without heaven.

  6. Chris, I never said that polling numbers are all false. I am just saying that this polling does not support the assertion that Eric took more votes from Hill than Sodrel. I’m still not convinced that many Libertarians would identify themselves as “liberal” in the “Classic Liberal” sense. Exit polls are quite useful–but you can’t make them answer a question that was not asked!

    Ron Paul is a good man. But Ron Paul was not nominated by the Republican Party for a lot of reasons apart from his Libertarian philosophy. Certainly his foreign policy positions were out of line with most Republicans, but what really sunk him was: 1) The answer to almost any question ended up being a repudiation of the Iraq War and 2) his refusal to solidly separate himself from the “truthers”.

    Chris, this is not hypocrisy. It is an effort to understand where we are TODAY and devise a way to get to where we want to be TOMORROW. You don’t transform a party by destroying it. You transform the party by getting inside of it and changing it from within. Being a member of the Republican Party does not mean that you agree with everything that the party does, or what the President does, or what either propose.

    Just because my (and others here) don’t react to the Republican Party losing it’s way by jumping ship and becoming Libertarians does not mean that we agree with what is going on!

    If you don’t think that you and the Libertarians cannot get involved with the Republican Party and change it for the better, what makes you think that you can transform the entirety of government?

  7. So,

    If the Republican Party isn’t doing what you want, aren’t you just encouraging their bad behavior by continuing to vote for them?

    I can understand someone joining the inner circles and trying to reform the organization from within, but what about the millions of Americans who DON’T get involved, continue to vote the same way, and then complain about the same results?

    If I were a Republican incumbant, I’d figure that I could do whatever the hell I want; because no matter what socialist programs I promote, I can always count on conservatives to vote me back in.

    It’s kinda like the free market…if I don’t like the service at Wal-Mart, then I just stop going to Wal-Mart.

  8. I don’t discount your analysis, Timothy. Scott in this post indicates that third party candidates have to be an option when the candidate is a RINO (or shall I say a moderate). But at least on a State and Federal level, third party candidates are, in practice, a “protest” vote. I got very turned off on protest votes in 1992.

    But I don’t necessarily think that you have to be in the “inner circles” to reform. In fact, I believe that reform will not come from there, it will come from the grassroots. And so much of the reform will happen at the primary level. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have Sean as a Republican option in the 9th district? He would begin with, oh, 40 percent and have to work for the rest. But instead he will start with a base of 3 or 5 percent.

    Can a Libertarian survive in the Republican Party? Certainly! Chris’s sarcasm aside, Ron Paul has done just fine in the Republican Party. He was not refused for President because he was a Libertarian, it was because he was a weak candidate! (Full disclosure–MY candidate, Fred, was a weak candidate, too!)

    My observation of Libertarians is that there are few things that separate them from conservative Republicans. They are also active and hard workers. By staying away from the Republican fight, they make it more difficult for conservatives to reform the party in a direction that the Libertarians would like.

    And who knows. If Libertarians engaged in the Republican Party, they might even move some of the conservatives in a more Libertarian direction. And then they might have a chance to get some of their ideas implemented.

  9. I argue that Democrat and Republican candidates steal Libertarian votes because they wet themselves in fear that “the other guy” might win when in fact there is very little difference between them.

    The differences are almost always nuance, not wholesale change like investigating the Federal Reserve, eliminating income taxes rather than tweaking them 5% one way or the other, privatizing social security instead of just figuring out who’s taxes to raise to pay for it.

    I’ve heard many people argue that Newt’s brief revolution in the 90s doesn’t happen without Perot’s 19%. I don’t hear either one of the candidates admitting that government and the FED caused our current economic problems and even the Republican is offering more government agencies, more regulation and such as the fix. No thanks.

  10. It’s important to note that Mike Sodrel supports the “Fair Tax” - replacing the federal income tax with a national sales tax. That’s certainly a significant reform.

    I prefer the flat tax, but Sodrel’s plan (repealing the sales tax if the income tax does not go away in X years) is the best I have seen and addresses concerns of dual taxation.

  11. Sean, I know the glass is 5% full not 95% empty.

    I present for your analysis the difference between an Obama Presidency and a McCain Presidency as the difference between a Clinton Presidency and a Bush Presidency:

    Clinton: Gets Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Steven Breyer to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Bush: Gets Samuel Alito and John Roberts.

    Any difference there?

  12. drvannostrand Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Todd Rokita said something recently that I found particularly profound.

    He pointed out that we don’t have much of a free market in this country as it pertains to political parties. We have embraced a two-party system that discourages competing political parties.

    He suggested that more competition would improve both political parties as they sought to appeal to voters who have a broader set of choices at the ballot booth. This would keep Republicans from simply assuming that conservatives will vote only Republican when faced with a lesser of two evils choice. It would do the same for Democrats. Additional “moderate” choices could also pull politicians to the “middle”.

    I agree with Rokita.

    However, that’s separate from the practical choice that must be made in the 9th district. Mike Sodrel is the only chance in 2008 to get good conservative fiscal leadership.

  13. But have you seen any government with more than two major political parties that has been a stable government?

  14. Dr. Van-N…

    You said: “Mike Sodrel is the only chance in 2008 to get good conservative fiscal leadership.”

    That assertion is a function of the probability of each candidate getting elected and the probability of getting GCFL from that candidate.

    What are the odds that each candidate will win– and what are the odds that Hill or Sodrel will suddenly become GCFL?

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