Comments on: The Lies of Joe Biden http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/10/04/the-lies-of-joe-biden/ HoosierAccess.com Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:30:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Jeffrey Stingerstein http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/10/04/the-lies-of-joe-biden/#comment-6048 Jeffrey Stingerstein Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:35:35 +0000 http://hoosieraccess.com/?p=2400#comment-6048 I'm not about to go through the whole list, but there are a number of false claims of "lying" here. One example is the point Biden mad about McCain voting against the funding for troops with a time line, as is stated in the point. That is not and never was a lie. Perhaps he misspoke by saying "voted the exact same way" but his overall point was crystal clear: "with regard to Barack Obama not quote funding the troops, John McCain voted the exact same way. John McCain voted against funding the troops because of an amendment he voted against had a timeline in it to draw down American troops. And John said I'm not going to fund the troops if in fact there's a time line. Barack Obama and I agree fully and completely on one thing. You've got to have a time line to draw down the troops and shift responsibility to the Iraqis." That is from the transcript: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/index.html The point I really wanted to make though was about the Regan tax bracket. Here is what Biden said: "The middle class is the economic engine. It's fair. They deserve the tax breaks, not the super wealthy who are doing pretty well. They don't need any more tax breaks. And by the way, they'll pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan." Here is a link of what the tax bracket was under Reagan: http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html Under Reagan the taxes for the highest bracket came down but it was as follows: 1981 50% 1986 38.5% 1987 28% Then Bush put it up to 31% and Clinton up to 39.6%. Obama, if I recall correctly is talking about returning to 39.6. W brought it down to 35%. So Biden is not incorrect or lying. But he didn't say what part of Reagn's tenure in office. There are several other errors in the McCain release. You should be a bit more skeptical before elevating these claims to truth. I’m not about to go through the whole list, but there are a number of false claims of “lying” here. One example is the point Biden mad about McCain voting against the funding for troops with a time line, as is stated in the point. That is not and never was a lie. Perhaps he misspoke by saying “voted the exact same way” but his overall point was crystal clear: “with regard to Barack Obama not quote funding the troops, John McCain voted the exact same way. John McCain voted against funding the troops because of an amendment he voted against had a timeline in it to draw down American troops. And John said I’m not going to fund the troops if in fact there’s a time line. Barack Obama and I agree fully and completely on one thing. You’ve got to have a time line to draw down the troops and shift responsibility to the Iraqis.” That is from the transcript: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/index.html

The point I really wanted to make though was about the Regan tax bracket. Here is what Biden said: “The middle class is the economic engine. It’s fair. They deserve the tax breaks, not the super wealthy who are doing pretty well. They don’t need any more tax breaks. And by the way, they’ll pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan.” Here is a link of what the tax bracket was under Reagan: http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

Under Reagan the taxes for the highest bracket came down but it was as follows:
1981 50%
1986 38.5%
1987 28%

Then Bush put it up to 31% and Clinton up to 39.6%. Obama, if I recall correctly is talking about returning to 39.6. W brought it down to 35%.

So Biden is not incorrect or lying. But he didn’t say what part of Reagn’s tenure in office.

There are several other errors in the McCain release. You should be a bit more skeptical before elevating these claims to truth.

]]> By: Harl Delos http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/10/04/the-lies-of-joe-biden/#comment-6044 Harl Delos Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:54:43 +0000 http://hoosieraccess.com/?p=2400#comment-6044 Could you elaborate further on "Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false" in item 7? Which independent fact checkers? FactCheck.org says that people in higher tax brackets will pay more on average health insurance benefits than the McCain tax credit will cover. The fact that people in higher tax brackets often get better health insurance benefits makes it even more so. I can't find any independent fact-checking organizations that support item #7. Could you elaborate further on “Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false” in item 7? Which independent fact checkers?

FactCheck.org says that people in higher tax brackets will pay more on average health insurance benefits than the McCain tax credit will cover. The fact that people in higher tax brackets often get better health insurance benefits makes it even more so. I can’t find any independent fact-checking organizations that support item #7.

]]> By: Josh Gillespie http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/10/04/the-lies-of-joe-biden/#comment-6042 Josh Gillespie Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:58:17 +0000 http://hoosieraccess.com/?p=2400#comment-6042 The list was distributed my the McCain campaign, though I'm guessing that may not be enough for you. But unless you decided not to watch the post debate coverage Mikey, many of these lies were also brought up by the press. So your apparent dig rings hollow. The list was distributed my the McCain campaign, though I’m guessing that may not be enough for you. But unless you decided not to watch the post debate coverage Mikey, many of these lies were also brought up by the press. So your apparent dig rings hollow.

]]> By: mikeyc252 http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/10/04/the-lies-of-joe-biden/#comment-6040 mikeyc252 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:51:28 +0000 http://hoosieraccess.com/?p=2400#comment-6040 I never knew you could debunk a politician's claims without any sources. I never knew you could debunk a politician’s claims without any sources.

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