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	<title>Comments on: Addressing racism and refuting ignorance</title>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7074</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that you are doing, Harl, is throwing one person&#039;s (perceived) moral failings up as a reason to not oppose another&#039;s moral failings. 

Now I have no dog in this fight--I&#039;m a Rose-Hulman guy married to a Purdue grad with parents and in-laws who attended Purdue. I couldn&#039;t care less about what IU does--though I did think that Knight should have been charged with battery on more than one occasion.

But the argument for whether or not a particular person should be honored should stand on its own merits and not on the merits of another. Evaluating a man is a complicated endeavor since none of us are perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that you are doing, Harl, is throwing one person&#8217;s (perceived) moral failings up as a reason to not oppose another&#8217;s moral failings. </p>
<p>Now I have no dog in this fight&#8211;I&#8217;m a Rose-Hulman guy married to a Purdue grad with parents and in-laws who attended Purdue. I couldn&#8217;t care less about what IU does&#8211;though I did think that Knight should have been charged with battery on more than one occasion.</p>
<p>But the argument for whether or not a particular person should be honored should stand on its own merits and not on the merits of another. Evaluating a man is a complicated endeavor since none of us are perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7073</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by what I said. 2 Peter 2 does not hold up what Lot did (i.e. the particular incident you were referring to) as morally right. It just says he was a righteous man. And so you understand where I come from on both Abraham and Lot here, I quote Genesis 15:6, &quot;Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by what I said. 2 Peter 2 does not hold up what Lot did (i.e. the particular incident you were referring to) as morally right. It just says he was a righteous man. And so you understand where I come from on both Abraham and Lot here, I quote Genesis 15:6, &#8220;Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Harl Delos</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7072</link>
		<dc:creator>Harl Delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Yes. My brain was thinking one thing, my fingers were typing another. 

&lt;i&gt;the Bible never held up what Lot did as morally right.&lt;/i&gt;

Taken a look at 2 Peter 2 lately? Lot is described as a righteous man.

&lt;i&gt;Lot was saved not because of his own morality, but because of Abraham’s.&lt;/i&gt;

Abraham married his father&#039;s daughter. 

If this incestuous behavior was good enough to not only save himself, but to save Lot, then incest is morally correct, both then and now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. My brain was thinking one thing, my fingers were typing another. </p>
<p><i>the Bible never held up what Lot did as morally right.</i></p>
<p>Taken a look at 2 Peter 2 lately? Lot is described as a righteous man.</p>
<p><i>Lot was saved not because of his own morality, but because of Abraham’s.</i></p>
<p>Abraham married his father&#8217;s daughter. </p>
<p>If this incestuous behavior was good enough to not only save himself, but to save Lot, then incest is morally correct, both then and now?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7054</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solomon, not Samson. It actually wasn&#039;t morally OK by the law of Solomon&#039;s day, either. But it was what the world around him was doing and so he did it. You will note a couple of things: 1, the Bible never hold what Solomon did as being morally right. 2, the Bible never held up what Lot did as morally right. Lot was saved not because of his own morality, but because of Abraham&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solomon, not Samson. It actually wasn&#8217;t morally OK by the law of Solomon&#8217;s day, either. But it was what the world around him was doing and so he did it. You will note a couple of things: 1, the Bible never hold what Solomon did as being morally right. 2, the Bible never held up what Lot did as morally right. Lot was saved not because of his own morality, but because of Abraham&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Harl Delos</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7053</link>
		<dc:creator>Harl Delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He wasn&#039;t fired for throwing a chair across the floor and he wasn&#039;t fired for assault in the carribean. 

A century ago, many women were married and having babies at 13 and 14 years of age. These days, we send guys to prison for screwing girls that young. 

In the 1800s, Mark Twain was considered a dangerous radical because books like Huckleberry Finn called slavery evil. These days, Huckleberry Finn is being removed from libraries because it&#039;s considered racially offensive. 

In 1940, they lynched blacks in Marion, Indiana for raping a white girl - something that, upon further examination, turned out not to have happened. A couple of years later, Ora Wildermuth was suggesting that segregation was a good thing. Well, if keeps innocent men from being lynched, &lt;i&gt;I&#039;d have to agree with Wildermuth&lt;/i&gt;. 

In the 1960s, Sammy Davis couldn&#039;t take his wife, Mae Britt, with him when he was on tour, because in about 75% of the country, they couldn&#039;t legally marry, and innkeepers would be arrested for renting a room to the couple. 

Samson had seven hundred wives, and three hundred concubines. &lt;i&gt;As your preacher if this is morally OK by today&#039;s standards.&lt;/i&gt; 

The bible holds high the example of a man who, haven given shelter to guests, has a mob gather outside his door. Rather than turn over his guests to the mob, he passes his daughters to the crowd to have sex with. &lt;i&gt;Ask your wife if this is moral behavior by today&#039;s standards.&lt;/i&gt;

Moral standards &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasn&#8217;t fired for throwing a chair across the floor and he wasn&#8217;t fired for assault in the carribean. </p>
<p>A century ago, many women were married and having babies at 13 and 14 years of age. These days, we send guys to prison for screwing girls that young. </p>
<p>In the 1800s, Mark Twain was considered a dangerous radical because books like Huckleberry Finn called slavery evil. These days, Huckleberry Finn is being removed from libraries because it&#8217;s considered racially offensive. </p>
<p>In 1940, they lynched blacks in Marion, Indiana for raping a white girl &#8211; something that, upon further examination, turned out not to have happened. A couple of years later, Ora Wildermuth was suggesting that segregation was a good thing. Well, if keeps innocent men from being lynched, <i>I&#8217;d have to agree with Wildermuth</i>. </p>
<p>In the 1960s, Sammy Davis couldn&#8217;t take his wife, Mae Britt, with him when he was on tour, because in about 75% of the country, they couldn&#8217;t legally marry, and innkeepers would be arrested for renting a room to the couple. </p>
<p>Samson had seven hundred wives, and three hundred concubines. <i>As your preacher if this is morally OK by today&#8217;s standards.</i> </p>
<p>The bible holds high the example of a man who, haven given shelter to guests, has a mob gather outside his door. Rather than turn over his guests to the mob, he passes his daughters to the crowd to have sex with. <i>Ask your wife if this is moral behavior by today&#8217;s standards.</i></p>
<p>Moral standards <i>do</i> change.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Tibbs</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7044</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Tibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is, Knight was fired. Wildermuth still has a building named after him, and the question is whether IU should be honoring a racist and segregationist in 2008. Knight&#039;s outbursts of temper aren&#039;t the issue - honoring Wildermuth is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is, Knight was fired. Wildermuth still has a building named after him, and the question is whether IU should be honoring a racist and segregationist in 2008. Knight&#8217;s outbursts of temper aren&#8217;t the issue &#8211; honoring Wildermuth is.</p>
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		<title>By: Harl Delos</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7043</link>
		<dc:creator>Harl Delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ora Wildermuth died 44 years ago. 

If the passage of 20 years makes something irrelevant, then Ora Wildermuth&#039;s statements are doubly irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ora Wildermuth died 44 years ago. </p>
<p>If the passage of 20 years makes something irrelevant, then Ora Wildermuth&#8217;s statements are doubly irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Tibbs</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7042</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Tibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chair-throwing incident was over 20 years ago, and the coach who threw the chair was fired for mistreating a student 8 years ago. If you&#039;re looking for a relevant reason to criticize IU, find something newer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chair-throwing incident was over 20 years ago, and the coach who threw the chair was fired for mistreating a student 8 years ago. If you&#8217;re looking for a relevant reason to criticize IU, find something newer.</p>
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		<title>By: Harl Delos</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7039</link>
		<dc:creator>Harl Delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As to the other issue a prestigious state university should not honor a notorious racist.&lt;/i&gt;

George Washington was a slave owner. I suppose we ought to remove his picture from our postage stamps, coins and currency, and rename our nation&#039;s capital....

You mention a &quot;prestigious state university&quot;.  I thought you were talking about IU.  They have a basketball team, a Calder sculpture, and the Kinsey report - but most people aren&#039;t aware that they have the latter two, and I&#039;m not sure how much prestige there is in a chair being hurled across the floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As to the other issue a prestigious state university should not honor a notorious racist.</i></p>
<p>George Washington was a slave owner. I suppose we ought to remove his picture from our postage stamps, coins and currency, and rename our nation&#8217;s capital&#8230;.</p>
<p>You mention a &#8220;prestigious state university&#8221;.  I thought you were talking about IU.  They have a basketball team, a Calder sculpture, and the Kinsey report &#8211; but most people aren&#8217;t aware that they have the latter two, and I&#8217;m not sure how much prestige there is in a chair being hurled across the floor.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Tibbs</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/11/21/addressing-racism-and-refuting-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-7031</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Tibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue with the Woodburn mural is an issue of free speech, a fundamental freedom under attack at too many universities today. Thankfully, IU had resisted the pressure to remove the Woodburn mural for several years now, but I fear it is only a matter pf time before Political Correctness wins again.

As to the other issue a prestigious state university should not honor a notorious racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue with the Woodburn mural is an issue of free speech, a fundamental freedom under attack at too many universities today. Thankfully, IU had resisted the pressure to remove the Woodburn mural for several years now, but I fear it is only a matter pf time before Political Correctness wins again.</p>
<p>As to the other issue a prestigious state university should not honor a notorious racist.</p>
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