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	<title>Comments on: Like National GOP time for State GOP shakeup too?</title>
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		<title>By: anothercountycrusader</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2009/02/14/like-national-gop-time-for-state-gop-shakeup-too/comment-page-1/#comment-18199</link>
		<dc:creator>anothercountycrusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we agree...!!!! you say &quot;Perhaps she needs to hear from you about your thoughts on restructuring county government to save money and reduce or eliminate corruption in all of our counties.&quot;

we say: read this link http://countycrusaders.wordpress.com/ 


Have you had problems with Judge Molter, Judge Potter, Prosecuting Attorney Ed James Barce, Newton County Sheriff Donald Hartman, Attorney charles Dargo, Attorney Jeff Drinski, Attorney Jim Morrison, Attorney Jim Foster, etc? 
Well, it appears that these officials where contacted: Sue Landske, Don Lehe, Senator Evan Byah, Senator Richard Lugar, Pete Visclosky, Governor Mitch Daniels and it appears they are doing nothing! So we encourage you to VOTE for someone else next time! Remove yourself for any connections you have or may have in the future with them. Do not become an &quot;accessory&quot; or &quot;aid and abet&quot; this monster!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we agree&#8230;!!!! you say &#8220;Perhaps she needs to hear from you about your thoughts on restructuring county government to save money and reduce or eliminate corruption in all of our counties.&#8221;</p>
<p>we say: read this link <a href="http://countycrusaders.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://countycrusaders.wordpress.com/</a> </p>
<p>Have you had problems with Judge Molter, Judge Potter, Prosecuting Attorney Ed James Barce, Newton County Sheriff Donald Hartman, Attorney charles Dargo, Attorney Jeff Drinski, Attorney Jim Morrison, Attorney Jim Foster, etc?<br />
Well, it appears that these officials where contacted: Sue Landske, Don Lehe, Senator Evan Byah, Senator Richard Lugar, Pete Visclosky, Governor Mitch Daniels and it appears they are doing nothing! So we encourage you to VOTE for someone else next time! Remove yourself for any connections you have or may have in the future with them. Do not become an &#8220;accessory&#8221; or &#8220;aid and abet&#8221; this monster!</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Gillespie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  I can&#039;t wait to read what you found out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I can&#8217;t wait to read what you found out.</p>
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		<title>By: daltonsbriefs</title>
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		<dc:creator>daltonsbriefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ran into a couple people connected to Lake County Republicans, i guess my little shot across the bow has hit the mark.  more later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ran into a couple people connected to Lake County Republicans, i guess my little shot across the bow has hit the mark.  more later.</p>
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		<title>By: daltonsbriefs</title>
		<link>http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2009/02/14/like-national-gop-time-for-state-gop-shakeup-too/comment-page-1/#comment-9209</link>
		<dc:creator>daltonsbriefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m finding the current of thought here, the little undercurrent of anti-Mitch feelings a little odd.  I&#039;m with Mitch on the entire package of reorganization ... but I understand your conservative underpinnings too gang.  I really do.  Time for a new way of doing local government that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finding the current of thought here, the little undercurrent of anti-Mitch feelings a little odd.  I&#8217;m with Mitch on the entire package of reorganization &#8230; but I understand your conservative underpinnings too gang.  I really do.  Time for a new way of doing local government that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Sikma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Sikma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with Derek more in his comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Sikma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Sikma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we really risk hurting our party when we urge for certain people to be replaced because they disagree with the Governor.  There are matters of principle that are worth disagreeing over and, if necessary, making changes over.  Conversely, there are also issues where conservative arguments can be made on both sides (and in this case some of the local government reforms can easily be opposed by conservatives) and to simply throw people out of power based on a disagreement of this sort is to resort to strong-arm tactics that should have no place in our party.

Lake County does need to be reformed, but a better way to reform it would be to make local voters responsible for making those changes, not continually using state power or state funding to make adjustments where county-level decisions are hurting the county.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we really risk hurting our party when we urge for certain people to be replaced because they disagree with the Governor.  There are matters of principle that are worth disagreeing over and, if necessary, making changes over.  Conversely, there are also issues where conservative arguments can be made on both sides (and in this case some of the local government reforms can easily be opposed by conservatives) and to simply throw people out of power based on a disagreement of this sort is to resort to strong-arm tactics that should have no place in our party.</p>
<p>Lake County does need to be reformed, but a better way to reform it would be to make local voters responsible for making those changes, not continually using state power or state funding to make adjustments where county-level decisions are hurting the county.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, Derek, part of the reason that the Kernan-Sheppard reforms make some amount of sense is that our local governance rely just as much on the good nature of our elected officials as the reforms. And our population does not tend to actually know the local (read &quot;township&quot;) officials who are actually responsible for spending so much of our money.

And as our property tax situation continually brings up, the township assessor situation is completely broken.

The question in my mind is if we were starting from a blank sheet of paper today, how would we structure local government? I honestly don&#039;t think that township government would show up if we were creating it today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, Derek, part of the reason that the Kernan-Sheppard reforms make some amount of sense is that our local governance rely just as much on the good nature of our elected officials as the reforms. And our population does not tend to actually know the local (read &#8220;township&#8221;) officials who are actually responsible for spending so much of our money.</p>
<p>And as our property tax situation continually brings up, the township assessor situation is completely broken.</p>
<p>The question in my mind is if we were starting from a blank sheet of paper today, how would we structure local government? I honestly don&#8217;t think that township government would show up if we were creating it today.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Pillie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Pillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I think you should be cautious about waving the RINO flag, I think that label gets thrown around way too often. You know your Senator&#039;s record better than I do - if this vote reflects a trend of voting against the party and principles you believe in, that&#039;s one thing; it&#039;s quite another if this is one vote where her views diverge with your own.

Personally I think you can make plenty of conservative arguments against the Kernan-Sheppard &quot;reforms,&quot; they make far too many assumptions about the good nature of our elected officials. To date no one has demonstrated where consolidating government entities has ever made it smaller or more efficient.

These proposals strike me as more of a consolidation of power than as a reform of a broken system. It only makes it easier for special interests to influence the executives of various jurisdictions, eliminates the only form of government in unincorporated areas that actually services those areas.  While I do agree with some of the proposals (I could be persuaded on a single county executive or fiscal authority or oversight), but I think labeling these reforms as &quot;conservative&quot; flies in the face of Burkian conservatism - which leads me to wonder what makes them conservative.

Just my own thoughts on the matter - I get tired of people saying that if you don&#039;t agree with the governor then you&#039;re not a good Republican.  If I recall, most of the delegates to the convention didn&#039;t agree with him on the attorney general nomination, does that mean their RINOs too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I think you should be cautious about waving the RINO flag, I think that label gets thrown around way too often. You know your Senator&#8217;s record better than I do &#8211; if this vote reflects a trend of voting against the party and principles you believe in, that&#8217;s one thing; it&#8217;s quite another if this is one vote where her views diverge with your own.</p>
<p>Personally I think you can make plenty of conservative arguments against the Kernan-Sheppard &#8220;reforms,&#8221; they make far too many assumptions about the good nature of our elected officials. To date no one has demonstrated where consolidating government entities has ever made it smaller or more efficient.</p>
<p>These proposals strike me as more of a consolidation of power than as a reform of a broken system. It only makes it easier for special interests to influence the executives of various jurisdictions, eliminates the only form of government in unincorporated areas that actually services those areas.  While I do agree with some of the proposals (I could be persuaded on a single county executive or fiscal authority or oversight), but I think labeling these reforms as &#8220;conservative&#8221; flies in the face of Burkian conservatism &#8211; which leads me to wonder what makes them conservative.</p>
<p>Just my own thoughts on the matter &#8211; I get tired of people saying that if you don&#8217;t agree with the governor then you&#8217;re not a good Republican.  If I recall, most of the delegates to the convention didn&#8217;t agree with him on the attorney general nomination, does that mean their RINOs too?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come down on both sides of the issue myself. On one hand, we should really want government to be as local as possible. The township level is a very good place to have decisions being made. And just because they are sometimes--or even often--inept is not a reason to leave the idea of local government. I would even say that is a conservative way of doing government.

But there is a reality of today&#039;s life means that slightly larger chunks would be more efficient and better government. I might have a different feel for the situation if property taxes were not a reality now and in the foreseeable future.

But we have to be careful about the &quot;efficient&quot; argument. The end point on that discussion is &quot;if running things at the county level is better than at the township level, why not at the state level?&quot; And then &quot;why not at the federal level?&quot; And I think we are suffering enough from that attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come down on both sides of the issue myself. On one hand, we should really want government to be as local as possible. The township level is a very good place to have decisions being made. And just because they are sometimes&#8211;or even often&#8211;inept is not a reason to leave the idea of local government. I would even say that is a conservative way of doing government.</p>
<p>But there is a reality of today&#8217;s life means that slightly larger chunks would be more efficient and better government. I might have a different feel for the situation if property taxes were not a reality now and in the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>But we have to be careful about the &#8220;efficient&#8221; argument. The end point on that discussion is &#8220;if running things at the county level is better than at the township level, why not at the state level?&#8221; And then &#8220;why not at the federal level?&#8221; And I think we are suffering enough from that attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: daltonsbriefs</title>
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		<dc:creator>daltonsbriefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;ll strike RINO agree that a lot of Republicans are so stuck in status quo that they aren&#039;t supporting reorganization.  

I ran into another township insider who related that if the counties get control of all that cash and inter-government payments in those townships ... they&#039;ll blow it in a matter of a couple years.  So, I&#039;ll ask, how do we keep the counties themselves from blowing all the cash ... perhaps it should be returned to the taxpayers and the accounts dissolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ll strike RINO agree that a lot of Republicans are so stuck in status quo that they aren&#8217;t supporting reorganization.  </p>
<p>I ran into another township insider who related that if the counties get control of all that cash and inter-government payments in those townships &#8230; they&#8217;ll blow it in a matter of a couple years.  So, I&#8217;ll ask, how do we keep the counties themselves from blowing all the cash &#8230; perhaps it should be returned to the taxpayers and the accounts dissolved.</p>
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